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  For you JW's out there. What would you do if ....

  by Brutus in

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  20 yrs have passed, now (2021) and armageddon still had not come.

  what would you do or what would you think?.

  just curious

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  DCs Ghost

  . . .How glad we are for such strobe lights of increasing truth!. . .

  so does this make yahweh the dj's lighting assistant at club WT?

  sorry, couldn't help myself . .

  dc
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  For you JW's out there. What would you do if ....

  by Brutus in

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  20 yrs have passed, now (2021) and armageddon still had not come.

  what would you do or what would you think?.

  just curious

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  DCs Ghost

  for a great parody on the apocalypse check out
  Neil Gaiman's and Terry Pratchett's novel titled

  Good Omens---The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter,Witch

  it is armageddon with a very toungue and cheek twist,
  for those who don't know Neil, he is the author of the comic book series Sandman,

  great read if you have the time

  dc
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  Duns, et al, Free Will Vs. Determinism

  by larc in

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  what is your opinion on free will versus determinism?

  my feeling on the subject is pretty schizophrenic.

  as a person, i believe in free will.

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  DCs Ghost

  hey Larc thanks for responding,
  you mentioned 5 themes that i had touched on so for simplicity i will answer to one at a time as to keep focus. . .

  some of our behavior is also due to the culture and the unique subculture you are born into

  i totally agree with you on this, so far as to it being one of the triggers that started me questioning the borg,
  i believe that our behavior may be influenced by culture to a certain degree, but does that mean that our behavior and our will are synonymous?

  granted that our culture can influence us into thinking a certain way and guiding our values into a certain direction, in as much as almost choosing our spiritual path, and may even set our moral parameters within our views, as well can influences do the same, but even then no one really doesn't do anything that they don't want to do in as far as being influenced, we can succumb to the pressure of influence, but in the end it is our choice and our reasons from which we act. . .
  
  but what about those that break away from tradition, and look beyond their immediate surroundings in order to find answers or experiences unavailable within the circle of the community and culture/sub that they are in?
  will or nature?
  is that urge to explore beyond the immediate an ingrained thought process, or is it learned?
  if it is ingrained then perhaps it is natures way of evolving the species, most inventors/revolutionaries went against the grain of common thought and explored outside their immediate surroundings, thus causing change, is this common link a choice of will, or a preset of nature
  is this the trigger for rebellion or the trigger for knowledge,

  if it is learned this could be subject to a number of theories, but if it is preset then there is no will, simply chaos and chance order within disorder,

  i believe it is the hindus that believe that before we come to earth we choose our parents, social status, destiny etc, a choice made in the pre-life in order to learn certain lessons and experience certain situations, of course this is open for discussion and highly arguable but it holds the premise of free will in the sense that it allows the soul to choose its course in order to evolve into nirvana. . .

  "we do not see the world as it is,
  we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin
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  The Jehovah's Witness Meal Delivery Program

  by kents_ghost in

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  the jehovah's witness meal delivery program.

  jehovah's witnesses want to receive government funds in order to launch a free meal delivery service to help out the poor and disabled.

  jehovah's witnesses will go door to door delivering meals, preparing the food, and also helping the disabled out with various household chores and errands.

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  DCs Ghost

  interesting name change
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  President Bush and his disclosure headace.

  by Okidok in

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  on august 18, 22 days into her hunger strike, lara announced on.

  take her presidential hunger strike to washington, d.c. and the.

  extraterrestrial craft, technologies, and civilizations by.

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  hey oki i sent a link to this thread to a bunch of friends who believe.

  my take on aliens is that because the New York Times reported the crash in roswell,nm the following morning after it happened it held some truth, truth that many may not want todeal with
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  Duns, et al, Free Will Vs. Determinism

  by larc in

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  what is your opinion on free will versus determinism?

  my feeling on the subject is pretty schizophrenic.

  as a person, i believe in free will.

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  DCs Ghost

  which takes us to why they did get together, which usually is a matter of choice, and timing,

  to suggest that behavior and actions are a result of one's genes is dismissing any responsibility for one's actions, thus giving a possible rise in acting up in a sociopathic way,

  perhaps there are certain factors within our system that create certain interests or abilities, that affect out moods, temperament or a even a particular taste for a certain food or other, i could see this being "governed" within our cells, because of what we acquire through heredity,

  but when it comes down to our day to day choices what we crave and whether we choose McD's or Wendy's,
  coke or pepsi these are free will choices,

  the same in the case of who we hook up with, who we take home at the end of the nite (though usually alcohol influences this) what music we listen to, what books we read, what religion we choose as adults, these i feel fall into the free will category,

  i would have to favor free will, whether it be from lack of knowledge about determinism or because i fancy myself as an independent thinker not restricting myself to anyone's ideaologies but open to new thoughts,

  just a thought,
  what if the thought of free will is already programmed into our "determined" dna,
  it would be kinda like holding two mirrors against each other and trying to see the last of their reflections. . .
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  Duns, et al, Free Will Vs. Determinism

  by larc in

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  what is your opinion on free will versus determinism?

  my feeling on the subject is pretty schizophrenic.

  as a person, i believe in free will.

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  DCs Ghost

  Hey Larc,
  took me a few days, but at your request i came over to this thread, i hadn't been on in a while so i had no idea this one was going on, gotta say there are lots of interesting ideas being thrown back and forth,

  and being that i am coming in late to this discussion, i will first address the original question of the thread,
  free will vs. determinism,

  prior to this thread i had never heard the psychological term 'determinism' , so asfar as giving you my stance on it, the best i can do is respond by inference from what i understand it to be from your posts, and my perspective of the world. . .

  a little insight to my train of thoughts,
  i pretty much have come to the conclusion that there are no absolutes, with the exception of absolute zero of course, the speed of light and photosynthesis,
  many factors have taken me to this stand,

  among those are: being raised as a dub, and having to trade in my beliefs, in order to find myself and in order to create a real view of the future not the fairy tale one that was fed to me growing up,

  the changes in technology,
  one example, cds were the ultimate in sound reproduction but now we have dvdas which hold a many more ridiculous amounts of megabytes which allows sound engineers much more flexibility and possibilities on what can be produced as far as a cd in both quality of sound and speed in recording,

  and back to the church,
  how many times they change their minds about what exactly is the truth, ie heliocentric vs. geocentric, disposing of witches, and their stand on birth control,

  so before i drift away from the subject at hand, at some point my mind tweaked and i realized that i pretty much couldn't hold anything as an absolute because sooner or later something would affect it and change it, a new theory would evolve and replace,

  with that said, i have come to accept, acknowledge, and learn thru and by experience, (quite the continous and ongoing process) for that is the ultimate truth IMO, nothing is learned better than by pesonally undergoing and exposing oneself - whether by will or by chance - to anything that will alter one's perspective and through these gain insight into a realm that at one time was unfamiliar . . . .

  determinism from what i understand, works within our cells genes, dna, and these determine our personality and such and because of these, they influence our actions. . .

  ok first off, if i have understood this correctly on a very basic level,
  being that psychology is a soft science and that theories are constantly evolving, this theory of determinism because it is a theory, it is open to being questioned regardless of how much may be written for and against, likewise as with free will,

  this is where the previous ramble ties in, as far as i know and my family knows there are no musicians in my family with the exception of me, so as to how this came about, it would be unlikely for me to say that it was in my genes, but at the same time i can vouche that it was not a choice in the matter, i have always wanted to be a musician always been drawn to music as far back as i can remember, how this suports or negates the theory of determinism, i am not sure, the closest thing to having any ties with art in my family is the fact the fact that my mom is a seamstress, granted it is an art form but far from music,

  growing up in the borg this "gift" was frowned upon but knowing that it was a passion i pursued it, that was a conscious choice, i could have chosen to ignore and obey, but i would not have been true to myself, thus again a matter of choice, and as far as i know as long as i can make choices, regardless what they may be, i do as i will, within certain guidelines i am free to do what i want, whenever i want and as long as the cash flow allows it, thus giving me free will, no negative consequenquences followed my choice, fire didn't fall from the sky, etc.

  if indeed we are predisposed to certain influences, because our dna sais so, that is all fine and dandy but the fact that our dna is a certain way is because of the two individuals that bonded and created us. . .
  more in the next box i dont want ot loose this

  "we do not see the world as it is,
  we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin
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  on being born imperfect. . .

  by DCs Ghost in

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  growing up in the borg we were always told that we are decendants of adam and eve and because they fu**ed up we have to pay the price and accept jebus as redemption for our sins.

  .. the analogy that comes to mind (surprisingly) after all these years, was that of a baker with a dented pan- anything baked in that would mold to that shape.

  .. i have a retort for such a train of thought, if you cut the tails off of 2 mice and let them mate, will their offspring be born with a tail?.

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  yep, seems that way,
  but wasn't it also written somewhere in the live forever book?
  dc
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  on being born imperfect. . .

  by DCs Ghost in

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  growing up in the borg we were always told that we are decendants of adam and eve and because they fu**ed up we have to pay the price and accept jebus as redemption for our sins.

  .. the analogy that comes to mind (surprisingly) after all these years, was that of a baker with a dented pan- anything baked in that would mold to that shape.

  .. i have a retort for such a train of thought, if you cut the tails off of 2 mice and let them mate, will their offspring be born with a tail?.

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  growing up in the borg we were always told that we are decendants of adam and eve and because they fu**ed up we have to pay the price and accept jebus as redemption for our sins. . .

  the analogy that comes to mind (surprisingly) after all these years, was that of a baker with a dented pan- anything baked in that would mold to that shape. . .

  i have a retort for such a train of thought, if you cut the tails off of 2 mice and let them mate, will their offspring be born with a tail?

  im sure you see where i am going with this. . .

  peace
  dc
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  Christmas Star = Satan?!

  by reagan_oconnor in

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  i was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.

  he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).

  who do you think made that new star to shine?

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  DCs Ghost

  Friday

  so what you are saying in your response to me earlier, is that men who were astrologers/astronomers by profession "concluded" that the "star" moved (2 very broad assumptions for their like) and at NO moment found it odd in the least that a "new light" --pardon the pun-- was lingering in the sky.

  HHMMMM. . . . .
  so the fact that they studied the heavens and the movements of stars for a living, did not make them wonder
  "What IS THAT???!!!???!!!!???!!!!, that wasn't there last night" kinda hard to overlook something so bright don't you think?

  according to the legend you hold so dear, prior to that night that particular "star" was not in the sky, correct?

  so these star gazers, could have possibly been led by curiosity being that this light was not previously charted if indeed that is the case. . .
  after all IF they were led by satan then why did they not go through with the killing? damn that would have been a long wasted trip to not finalize the reason they began it. . .

  simplicity is a beautiful thing man. . .

  oh yeah, you still have not cited a biblical sripture supporting that satan was the origin of the light,
  that is the reason this thread was started afterall,
  all you have given is scriptural "dub-reasoning"

  found in the book of Interpretations 3:16, right next to the verses that speak about smoking cigarettes, celebrating birthdays, and not going to discoteques,

  peace
  dc

  ps what ever did happen to the light the night after they left?